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Is there any CMS better than WordPress or should I roll my own?

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I’m developing a small business website and want to give some control over content to the client but also allow myself control over the outputted code. Indeed allow the user to fill in the content gaps while not creating havoc.

I’m leaning towards WordPress rather than reinventing the wheel in asp.net, which would be my code of choice, or possibly just html.

Any recommendations either way? An alternative CMS maybe or some robust but productive framework? (interested in mention of python frameworks)

NOTE: This question was originally posted at StackOverflow.com by dove

  • Annette
    If you're a natural born programmer at heart, give Django a serious look. It's a nice light python (yeah learning sucks, I know) framework which will do lots of the work for you.

    NOTE: This comment was originally posted at StackOverflow.com by Oli

  • Annette
    ... Especially on the admin side of things. It's entirely possible to build the front-end of the site and not have to change what Django auto-generates for the admin, it's that good.

    NOTE: This comment was originally posted at StackOverflow.com by Oli

  • Arthur
    thanks Oli, i really like the way SO is so self maintaining, and yes i can see how john would react to the title. lesson learned there. but it's great how you picked it up and then healed things. should i edit the title maybe? or just do it better next time?

    NOTE: This comment was originally posted at StackOverflow.com by dove

  • Arthur
    well, you answered that for me swilliams, thanks for title edit. or is that krazy yak? getting more intrigued by these python frameworks.

    NOTE: This comment was originally posted at StackOverflow.com by dove

  • Jimmy
    @dove - It's both :), and I'm starting to get a little weirded out at the people referencing my blog postings online :)

    NOTE: This comment was originally posted at StackOverflow.com by swilliams

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Given that the question is tagged ASP.NET, I’d recommend looking at N2. It’s an open source CMS, and you have complete control over the HTML output. It runs on .NET 3.5, and can be used with MVC too.

NOTE: This answer was originally posted at StackOverflow.com by harriyott

  • Judith
    Having written my own CMS... its... an ordeal. Finding a CMS that fits well into what you already have is tricky, and N2 did that best in that matter.

    NOTE: This comment was originally posted at StackOverflow.com by ccook

  • Vicki
    From all .net cms i tried, N2 is by far the best. It is nicely written (tdd, nhibernate for DAL, separated logic, easily extended with your own classes - content definition, easy to add new view template, etc). But, it's for asp.net devs. Others can find it little difficult to customize.

    NOTE: This comment was originally posted at StackOverflow.com by Hrvoje

  • Patrick
    There is also Wordpress but it is for PHP devs. Others can find it little difficult to customize.

    NOTE: This comment was originally posted at StackOverflow.com by dario-g

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I would advise against wordpress, which is really more of a blogging engine than a CMS. I’ve had good success with Drupal and Joomla which are true CMSs

NOTE: This answer was originally posted at StackOverflow.com by Marcus King

  • Joe
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    • 11 years ago
    I think WordPress has evolved into something much more than just a blogging engine.

    NOTE: This comment was originally posted at StackOverflow.com by Ryan Rodemoyer

  • Tim
    • Tim
    • 11 years ago
    whatever happen to "Write programs that do one thing and do it well"?

    NOTE: This comment was originally posted at StackOverflow.com by Christopher Mahan

  • Billy
    @Marcus King, how would you distinguish between a CMS tool and a blogging engine? I mean--version control of postings? Multiple editors? Seriously--what would be the criteria you'd use for classifying an app one way or the other?

    NOTE: This comment was originally posted at StackOverflow.com by Onorio Catenacci

  • Tom
    • Tom
    • 11 years ago
    @Onorio Catenacci: multiple users&permissions, work flow, versioning, i18n&l10n of the content, custom documents (e.g.: forms, locations).

    NOTE: This comment was originally posted at StackOverflow.com by Cristian Ciupitu

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I think WordPress is perfectly suited for a CMS.

NOTE: This answer was originally posted at StackOverflow.com by Ryan Rodemoyer

  • Gregory
    It depends on your needs. Wordpress isn't a CMS, but it has many features that make it suited as being used for one

    NOTE: This comment was originally posted at StackOverflow.com by Casebash

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If you can code and you’re at all open to learning a new language and framework, you should give Django some serious consideration.

Some of the time, you might find yourself reinventing the wheel, and yes, there is some learning overhead, but it’s a really serious contender for “The next big thing”.

It’s major feature (over similar frameworks) is the automatically-generated admin area, which, if your models are logical enough, can be client-ready without any intervention from you. Of course you’re more than able to customise things to help clients.

NOTE: This answer was originally posted at StackOverflow.com by Oli

  • Arthur
    it does sounds very interesting, even though i've a million things to pick up in the world of .net. However they say another language always helps the understanding of your first! do google have their own python framework? know they use a lot of it, don't they?

    NOTE: This comment was originally posted at StackOverflow.com by dove

  • Annette
    Yeah Google has AppEngine which uses some of Django and some other stuff. It's a streamlined version for use on their servers so it doesn't have all the bells and whistles that Django-proper does. In time, I think they plan to implement more of it.

    NOTE: This comment was originally posted at StackOverflow.com by Oli

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Another option, if you do want to sit back and not waste too much time: Concrete5. It’s PHP based and quite new but it’s quite a nice layout and it’s really natural for new CMS users. You can go from a paper-based sitemap and PSD to a full site structure, ready for data entry, within a day, two at a push.

It’s quite heavy though. Give their demo a look in.

NOTE: This answer was originally posted at StackOverflow.com by Oli

  • Annette
    I checked out your link and like the promise Concrete5 has for simple, quick sites ( of which I have a need)

    NOTE: This comment was originally posted at StackOverflow.com by kevtrout

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Wordpress is NO CMS.

Wordpress is a very good blog platform, but it’s by no means a CMS – although it can be used as one and the latest versions facilitate that.

Rolling your own is imo a very bad idea. There are plenty of CMS frameworks and tools out there, just try them.

NOTE: This answer was originally posted at StackOverflow.com by Tigraine

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I’ve had experience with Wordpress modifying your html and making things like media placement quite snarky. I’ve grown tired of A)Waiting to click through the Wordpress dashboard to get to the function I need; and B)Constantly modifying and reloading the site to make sure my content is displayed the way I coded it. I think Markus is correct that WP is great for blogs, bad for static or partially-static websites.

I will suggest that if the service you are trying to provide is user content creation, then perhaps you could have a Wordpress component to the site where the user content is shown, but your other work (the static stuff) is built on something else you are comfortable with.

NOTE: This answer was originally posted at StackOverflow.com by kevtrout

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Try a real CMS like Textpattern (simple and fast but powerful) or MODx (a nice “CMS platform” build for extensibility).
Wordpress is too limiting, writing your own is too much.

NOTE: This answer was originally posted at StackOverflow.com by Prasinos

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I haven’t really tried it yet, but since you said your preferred platform was ASP.Net, you could always check out umbraco.

NOTE: This answer was originally posted at StackOverflow.com by andy

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Plone
django
joomla
.. and I’m sure lots of others, too 🙂

I personally like Plone, and use it for some things. I also use Wordpress, and I do manual content management (depending on the site).

NOTE: This answer was originally posted at StackOverflow.com by warren

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I would go with Graffiti. You have full control over html, and it can be regular blogging platform and CMS.

NOTE: This answer was originally posted at StackOverflow.com by Hrvoje

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Graffiti from Telligent is marketed as a CMS. I use it as a blog engine, and it is tightly linked to the structure/concepts of a blog: chronological list of articles, articles are called posts, comments…

But their blog/site has shown some sites that use Graffiti but are far from looking like blogs.

http://graffiticms.com/

NOTE: This answer was originally posted at StackOverflow.com by postback

  • Annette
    be aware that development of GraffitiCMS ground to a halt for about a year and it's now been open-sourced which may or may not be a good development depending on interest from the community

    NOTE: This comment was originally posted at StackOverflow.com by rohancragg

  • Rick
    Graffiti is now opensource and on CodePlex graffiticms.codeplex.com. I managed to learn the framework and built a simple 5 page CMS over the weekend from soup to nuts. Graffiti is well designed with SoC and a layered architecture. Supports VistaDB, SQL Server and Access databases.

    NOTE: This comment was originally posted at StackOverflow.com by Simon Brangwin

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I thought about using Drupal, then I was frustrated with how difficult it was to “bend” it to everything I needed. Them someone mentioned ExpressionEngine. It was a solid choice.

You can make a simple blog page with EE, or setup a forum, document library, photogallery, setup custom forms for users to enter info to be stored.

The possibilities are endless. I would recommend EE, because I thought about developing my own custom CMS until I stumbled upon this.

Check out some of the tutorials, it will show you how to load content from the database to the template, just by using tags like: {title} and {body}: http://expressionengine.com/tutorials/

It is made in PHP, but with this, it takes the coding out of development.

After the initial learning curve, it’s all down hill. Good luck!

NOTE: This answer was originally posted at StackOverflow.com by Brad

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Well many of these answers are fine, but if you are talking ASP.Net, then you really should look at DotNetNuke. It is far and away the most popular .Net CMS with thousands of available modules and skins and one of the most active communities on .Net.

NOTE: This answer was originally posted at StackOverflow.com by Joe Brinkman

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I would avoid Wordpress as a CMS in a professional environment. As stated earlier, it’s a great blogging platform, but doesn’t generally offer the robustness that most professional environments require. I’m a fan of Concrete5 so far as I’ve seen, although you may have to get into a little code to better control some of the formatting errors I’ve seen.

NOTE: This answer was originally posted at StackOverflow.com by lush

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I have had a bit of pain using blog engines like expression engine to make more static type sites, you end up working around a whole lot of features that you don’t really need, and hacking things together for the things that you do. If your client is just your average small business type, they don’t always relate to blogging terminology or concepts. They just want to update their interweb thingy, with something that works much like everything else they use on their computer.

Writing your own is certainly a large learning experience, and Hofstadter’s Law will kick in like you wouldn’t believe.

In the realm of asp.net, have heard very good things about graffiti, but not used it, was generally impressed by umbraco, have done a few sites with that, you get total control over the output, the ui is great, and clients understand it very easily.

I tried dotnetnuke a few years ago, but found that I had to work very hard to control the output, which (at the time anyway) was deeply rooted in the webforms paradigm, with all the markup horror that entails, although it does offer a huge number of addin modules, and has a massive user base.

NOTE: This answer was originally posted at StackOverflow.com by seanb

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If you’re looking for a cms in asp.net, you should consider DotNetNuke or if your looking for a blog CMs, you should consider Subtext

NOTE: This answer was originally posted at StackOverflow.com by norbertB

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Umbraco was suggested in one of the answers. We’ve had experience with it and many other CMS systems and I can safley recommend you to go that path, it’s both easy to learn and simple to use while remaining a powerful tool to base your sites on.

NOTE: This answer was originally posted at StackOverflow.com by joeysim

  • Tammy
    I have only seen the demos for Umbraco (I couldn't get my host to support it), but it is incredibly_impressive!!

    NOTE: This comment was originally posted at StackOverflow.com by Jens Roland

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If you don’t want a complicated CMS, but rather a blog (which is a simple CMS in a way) you could try the Byteflow blog engine. It’s written in Django – a Python based web framework.

NOTE: This answer was originally posted at StackOverflow.com by Cristian Ciupitu

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Since you tagged ASP use DotNetNuke. There are CMS’ written in every language you can think of. But let me plug the grand-daddy, Zope (python).

Also Wordpress is not a CMS. it’s a blogging framework that has some CMS features. But if your need isn’t enterprise level, then Wordpress might be fine.

NOTE: This answer was originally posted at StackOverflow.com by Stephen Cox

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